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Relativism is just relativism. I don't see why pointing out that some would have different POVs is relativism at its worst. If Dany helps destroy the WWs she will be a villain to them. But to the living, she'll be a savior. But what if the majority of people who benefit dictates the morality of it ...

But in accordance with your other point, maybe it will come up again in a way that brings drama and it will all make sense at the end of the season or s8. Our stories are just conjecture. However, there is the concept of like reality unless noted ( http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LikeRea...

I think the other northern lord just don't care. This is probably what D&D want us to assume. And really, we can tell each other any story that pleases us. The thing is, we shouldn't have to tell each other the story, we should be able to sit back and let D&D tell it. I think when you're tasked wit...

Joel Needs a Car wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:12 pm

When I saw the promo pic immediately thought "1980s pop group album cover"

Night's King must have thought the same

I think the other northern lord just don't care. They've lost so many young able men with Rob. All what's left in the north are old men and children, they are glad there is still someone with Stark blood left to lead them. And Sana at that moment hadn't proved herself to be able to lead, maybe that...

I agree that Jon would be valuable as an ally but at this point he refuses to be one. He won't bend the knee, he won't join her in defeating Cercei. As far as Dany is concerned, he's useless. Worse than useless since she can't allow the North to cede from the Seven Kingdoms in case the others get t...

It's still POV since we make judgments on the information available to us. But I think Dany's point was that Ned helped Robert ascend the throne and was therefore indirectly responsible for any actions of Robert's as king, and not that he would have condoned having her killed. True. It is still tec...

She's a savior to some (the slaves) and a villain to others (the masters). Depends on POV. Truth. But relativism at its worst. Sry :/ Thanks for your input, I usually bring up relativism myself too! Utilitarian? I choose tens of millions of shaved slaves on planetos over the hundreds of masters. Is...

She's a savior to some (the slaves) and a villain to others (the masters). Depends on POV. Truth. But relativism at its worst. Sry :/ Thanks for your input, I usually bring up relativism myself too! Utilitarian? I choose tens of millions of shaved slaves on planetos over the hundreds of masters. Is...

An interesting, well written review. I don't agree about Dany though. Jon brought nothing to the table other than talk about zombies coming to get them. He wanted Dany's help but offered nothing in return. From Dany's POV, he's a waste of time - won't bend the knee, won't help against Cercei - but ...