Spoilers episode 5

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Boudica
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From Frikidockter:

The Episode starts off with the aftermath of the battle of the field of fire http://bit.ly/2uSUmY7 where the Lannisters and Tarlys got their asses kicked. Bronn, after saving Jamie’s life asks him what’s wrong with him and why on earth would he do something as crazy as charging towards a dragon. Jamie starts to wonder how he’s going to tell Cersei that their forces took a massive loss and how the plunder from high garden is now lost and now have no way to pay the Iron Bank. The scene cuts to Dany’s army also facing the aftermath of the battle (handling prisoners and so on) but also the judgment of Randyll and Dickon Tarly, Dany tells the Tarlys to bend the knee and serve her but Randyll who already swore an oath of Cersei and that she is his queen, Dickon also follows in his father’s example and denies Dany as well which is when Dany orders Drogon to roast them which horrifies Tyrion who says its unnecessary and brutal (never explained how he gets to the field of fire) Friki then discusses that it’ll be interesting to see what the soldiers and other minor houses who might have seen these events decide to do after the show of power by Dany, weather some bend the knee or not isn’t stated.

Scene at Dragonstone is next where Dany returns with Drogon (doesn’t mention what the Dothraki do when she leaves or if they return with her) When she arrives at Dragonstone Jon Snow is there waiting for her, Drogon lands in front of Jon which is this scene http://bit.ly/2uLvodF and when she does Dany uses it as a show of power and Jon is a little taken back at first since well it’s a dragon but when Drogon (the most ferocious of the three) gets close, Jon pets him a bit and Drogon allows it which leaves Dany in shock and continues her Intrigue for Jon. After she gets down Friki says they talk about her dragons and how they aren’t beast to her but her children. At this point Jorah Mormont arrives at Dragonstone http://bit.ly/2uTjtdk Friki then jokes how now that he’s been cured of dragon scale and now that Dario is back in Essos that Jorah will have a clear path to Dany but then he sees Jon and is automatically friend zoned… again… (not that he was ever out but w/e) Dany is very happy that Jorah is back and healthy but Jorah is skeptical of Jon Snow (whether Jorah knows who Jon is from the start is not mentioned) there is a point where Jon figures out who Jorah is (son of Jeor, Jon’s mentor at castle black) they end up warming up to each other Friki states that being both of the north and both having daddy issues pretty much brings them together (Friki shows a screen shot of a leak where it also states that Jon offers Long claw back to Jorah since it’s his house’s sword but Jorah turns him down saying his father gave it to Jon for a reason…. Whether this happens this episode or later on isn’t mentioned but I’m pretty sure it’s later on)

Winterfell is next where Bran has warged into a flock of ravens http://bit.ly/2utnkge beyond the wall to see what the Night King is up to but the NK senses it and whether bran is forced out of his vision or leaves out of fear is unknown but the NK does indeed sense him. Friki goes on to ask why bran would warg an entire flock and not just one since it would be a little stealthier (even though the NK would’ve sensed his presence either way) and Friki says that he does so because he will send these ravens to send messages across Westeros (doesn’t state how they get these messages or if they already had them tied to their feet)

Back to Dragonstone where Jon gets a raven stating that Arya and Bran have arrived back at Winterfell which makes Jon happy but doesn’t have the time to think about it. Jon doesn’t see bran or Arya this season (fml) Friki also says that the raven should also include information about what he (Bran) saw while warged into the ravens to let him know they (the great other) are coming close. Tyrion and varys talk how Tyrion wonders if Dany will be as brutal as her father and how Dany did things that were unnecessary (burning the Tarlys) and what they should do about it. They then decide to plead to Cersei about the great other and to join them to pause or end the war since every man in Westeros will be needed to fight the great other. Cersei being the hard headed bitch that she is would not listen to Tyrion (especially since she hates him) so they get in contact with Bronn (who after witnessing what the war will be like decided to help set the meeting up) to trick Jamie to meet with them since Jamie might not be willing to talk to Tyrion since he killed their father.

Tyrion use Ser Davos’s smuggling talents to sneak past Kings Landing’s defenses to meet with Jamie. Bronn leads Jamie to a sort of catacombs where Tyrion is at (Friki states that Jamie won’t harm Tyrion since Jamie now knows for certain that Tyrion didn’t kill Joffrey and that their dad just wanted to kill Tyrion and then goes on to say how Tyrion might be a secret Targaryen but it’s not related to this episode just back story from Friki) So Tyrion tries to convince Jamie to tell Cersei to surrender but that she should join them to fight the great other. While they talk, Ser Davos is walking through kings landing through the armorers and blacksmiths when he runs into Gendry working as a blacksmith making swords and such. Davos jokes that he left him rowing and Gendry sees him and is happy to see him but also admits he’s tired of making swords specially since he’s making them for the Lannisters (those who killed his father) Davos invites him to come with him to which Gendry agrees, this is when he takes out a weapon he forged for himself, a Warhammer with a Stag carved into it (the sigil of House Baratheon and weapon of choice of his father) Tyrion, Davos and Gendry meet back where their boat was (a row boat that takes them to their ship) to go back to Dragonstone when two gold cloaks (the city watch aka police) stops them to ask questions (during a time of war no one can come and go as they please) Davos being the smuggler he is tells them they are traders to which the gold cloaks ask them what they trade to which Davos says they trade aphrodisiac crabs (aphrodisiac is a food that stimulates sexual desire.. westerosi Viagra?) and offers these crabs to them as a form of bribery to let them go, while Davos is working his smuggler magic, Gendry is getting a little nervous and has his hammer hidden in the boat trying not to raise suspicion but then Tyrion “the most famous dwarf in the world” Lannister is seen trying to sneak pass by the gold cloaks which automatically makes them see through Davos’s deception, this is when Gendry takes his war hammer out and kicks absolute ass, hitting one on the head and the other on the chest http://bit.ly/2uTb6hN (the leaked scene doesn’t make it look like the guy got hit in the chest but it may not be the final take they used in the episode) Friki then goes on to say but doesn’t make it clear if this does or doesn’t happen in THIS episode about how Jamie tells Cersei about him meeting with Tyrion (but from how he is telling it I think it’s his opinion but won’t happen this episode)

The three (Tyrion, Davos and Gendry) make it back to Dragonstone where Jon and Gendry meet for the first time, both being bastards and both meeting each other’s fathers makes them relate and become friends (Gendry doesn’t mention anything about Arya) another reunion that takes place in Dragonstone is between Jorah and Tyrion. Tyrion says that the Lannisters will not join because they don’t believe in the great other and think it’s a trap, Jon decides he must bring proof about the great other to the south so that all the kingdoms will join and fight as one. So Jon, Jorah, Davos (although a leak says Davos only goes to the wall and no further because of this age) and Gendry which is when we see the scene where Dany and Jon say goodbye to each other http://bit.ly/2vFkC5I which is when Jon tell Dany somewhere along the lines of “well if I don’t return you won’t have to deal with the king of the north anymore” to which Dany responds somewhere along the lines of “I’ve gotten used to him” (ohhhh shiiiiitttttt).

The following scene is at Eastwatch by the Sea, where those traveling from Dragonstone (yes there is a time machine let it go) meet Tormund where he and other wildlings have been manning the wall. When he’s there we are surprised when Tormund takes Jon to the ice cells where he has put the brotherhood without banners + the hound. Jon then offers them a chance to go beyond the wall with him after they tell him the red god wants them to go beyond the wall, Gendry doesn’t trust them however since they sold him to Stannis to get his blood sucked and who can blame him. Also, Jorah is recognized by Tormund (somehow) who knows his father was Jeor the lord commander who made their life hell for a long time fighting the free folk, then Jon sees the hound who knows what the he has done for Joffrey and some stuff that Sansa has told him he’d done so he doesn’t trust him either. But either way they decide to go together under Jon’s leadership and start to range beyond the wall to try to capture a wight to bring as proof.

In Winterfell little finger is trying to do little finger shit by stirring things up with the lords of the north saying TKITN has abandoned them and Sansa is trying to keep shit together but Arya sees that Sansa might want the North for herself and doesn’t exactly back Jon (who Arya loves most) Arya doesn’t trust Little Finger (especially since she was the cup bearer for Tywin at Harrenhal http://bit.ly/2eKCOH2 when little finger visited Tywin, she saw them together listening to their schemes but LF never recognizes her)… Arya starts to spy on him which LF being the cunning guy he is recognizes, LF also sees that she doesn’t have an agenda which he admits is dangerous since it’s hard to manipulate someone like that but he can try to deceive her… he pulls the letter Sansa had been made to sign in season two asking Robb to bend the knee and how Ned was a traitor and stuff and makes sure Arya sees him hiding it which Arya decides to look for it http://bit.ly/2tGEAQ6 .... LF knows that if Arya was to find this letter Arya will have even more suspicion that Sansa will want to overthrow Jon… When Arya Finds it LF is watching her find the letter http://bit.ly/2v41iSO and he believes everything is going to plan…

Old Town is last and we see Sam grow tired of the way the maesters are handling the great other and blinded by their knowledge he knows he must leave to Winterfell. Friki believes the catalyst that makes him leave is one of the ravens that bran sends about the army of the dead to which the maesters brush off as BS. Also we see Gilly continuing to learn how to read, she has been reading a diary or record of events by the now dead High Septon Maynard and she’s reading them to a uninterested or just busy Sam, she reads a piece that says Maynard “issued an annulment for a prince ‘ragger’ and remarried him to someone else in a secret ceremony in Dorne” (oohhhhh shiiiiittttttt) since Gilly is just now learning to read she mispronounces Rhaegar’s name which is why same doesn’t catch it (also Friki says that Sam doesn’t pay attention and doesn’t really make him think of anything but that it does come up later in the season when he speaks to Bran in Winterfell) during this time Sam decides to leave the Citadel knowing that no one there will help him achieve or help him with things happening in the north since there is only one person that believes what he says and even then it is dismissed. He, Gilly and baby Sam board a cart http://bit.ly/2tA1GE9 and leave oldtown with heartsbane and books he might have taken and head to Winterfell.

Translation from Swordofthevening

Boudica
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Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:16 pm

From these leaks it sounds like it is actually more of Tyrion's idea to try and convince Cersei to join the fight against the White Walkers. Of course Jon wants the whole realm to know as well.

How will Cersei get more credit if her plans for repayment have been destroyed. :geek:

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Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:05 am

What about the pregnancy?Maybe they have cut it or he forgot to mention it.

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Flayed Potatoes
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Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:47 am

Boudica wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:16 pm
From these leaks it sounds like it is actually more of Tyrion's idea to try and convince Cersei to join the fight against the White Walkers. Of course Jon wants the whole realm to know as well.

How will Cersei get more credit if her plans for repayment have been destroyed. :geek:
That's what I want to know too :geek: :geek:

It seems to me like the writers don't know what to do with Jon. So they just have him sit around for 2-3 episodes? I am hoping he gets some good scenes with Tyrion and Varys. Is it me or do the conversations he has with Dany seem pretty shallow? They're all mostly about her dragons and dragonglass. Nothing about Jon as a person, for example. How are the writers going to make this romance believable?
JennyT wrote:
Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:05 am
What about the pregnancy?Maybe they have cut it or he forgot to mention it.
I hope they cut it. That storyline was the worst.

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Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:16 am

I'm kind of looking forward to Gendry swinging that hammer, and Jon and Sandor (uh...did Sansa forget to mention that he saved her ass?) Drogon landing in front of Jon will be great.

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Flayed Potatoes
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Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:46 am

Pigeon wrote:
Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:16 am
I'm kind of looking forward to Gendry swinging that hammer, and Jon and Sandor (uh...did Sansa forget to mention that he saved her ass?) Drogon landing in front of Jon will be great.
What's weird to me is that Arya is never discussed.

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Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:44 am

Flayed Potatoes wrote:
Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:46 am
Pigeon wrote:
Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:16 am
I'm kind of looking forward to Gendry swinging that hammer, and Jon and Sandor (uh...did Sansa forget to mention that he saved her ass?) Drogon landing in front of Jon will be great.
What's weird to me is that Arya is never discussed.
True, that is pretty odd..... :?

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Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:09 am

Flayed Potatoes wrote:
Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:47 am
Boudica wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:16 pm
That's what I want to know too :geek: :geek:

It seems to me like the writers don't know what to do with Jon. So they just have him sit around for 2-3 episodes? I am hoping he gets some good scenes with Tyrion and Varys. Is it me or do the conversations he has with Dany seem pretty shallow? They're all mostly about her dragons and dragonglass. Nothing about Jon as a person, for example. How are the writers going to make this romance believable

Well honestly what more can they do with him.All the characters have a big actions sequence and then they sit around lol.He went there with a purpose to convince her and at the end of the day he achieves it.Also we don't really know the scripts yet.Things may be said in passing.She likes his valor the fact that he cares about saving people and is not power hungry.He is also not intimidated by her and to top it off he is pretty hot.Jon is not the type to open up lol.My guess is that comes after the sex.He stays in Dragonstone two and a half episodes.That's not too much.

Boudica
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Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:27 am

Flayed Potatoes wrote:
Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:47 am
Boudica wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:16 pm
From these leaks it sounds like it is actually more of Tyrion's idea to try and convince Cersei to join the fight against the White Walkers. Of course Jon wants the whole realm to know as well.

How will Cersei get more credit if her plans for repayment have been destroyed. :geek:
That's what I want to know too :geek: :geek:

It seems to me like the writers don't know what to do with Jon. So they just have him sit around for 2-3 episodes? I am hoping he gets some good scenes with Tyrion and Varys. Is it me or do the conversations he has with Dany seem pretty shallow? They're all mostly about her dragons and dragonglass. Nothing about Jon as a person, for example. How are the writers going to make this romance believable?
JennyT wrote:
Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:05 am
What about the pregnancy?Maybe they have cut it or he forgot to mention it.
I hope they cut it. That storyline was the worst.
Yes, they obviously want Jon on Dragonstone but it is difficult when Dany has other battles to fight. I think there will be more conversation between Jon and Dany, it just isn't covered in the leaks. Spoilers are usually more about events and plot points rather than conversation. Look at the scenes between the brotherhood without banners in episode one, all of it was actually quite touching and deep, but everyone just mentioned that the Hound saw a vision in the flames.

Their first conversation, for example in the throne room sounds quite interesting. (If the spoilers we have about the conversation can be believed, which I think they can).

It is funny how triumphant Jorah must be feeling on his return, he has been cured of greyscale his skin was peeled from his body, and he is once again ready to serve his Queen, and Daario is finally out of the picture. With the first foot he sets on dragonstone, he immediately sees Dany with a new man by her side, and she looks interested. :lol:

All of the Gendry stuff seems like extreme fanservice to me. I don't hate Gendry but he has never done much for me personally. I can't see why Gendry would forge a hammer for himself with a Baratheon sigil on it. He is peasant bastard who knew absolutely nothing about his father. I know he is knighted in the books or something, but he didn't learn anything about combat in the show, why would he go on the wight hunt? If you bring Gendry back, why wouldn't he discuss Arya? I guess the only reason I can think of is that Gendry doesn't want to discuss his crush on a girl with her protective brother. What would Dany think about a Baratheon bastard hanging around. His inclusion this season just seems unnecessary.

It is also strange how Tyrion and Varys have such a big issue with the death of the Tarlys. Personally I don't believe that Dany has to burn Dickon Tarly, he is a son who is following his father's instructions. If his father wasn't there than he might have bent the knee. Tyrion killed thousands of soldiers with wildfire. Tyrion and Varys are in services of a dragon queen, but they become very upset when she burns traitors who will not bent the knee. Perhaps they are sowing the seeds for future betrayal.

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Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:31 am

Flayed Potatoes wrote:
Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:46 am
Pigeon wrote:
Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:16 am
I'm kind of looking forward to Gendry swinging that hammer, and Jon and Sandor (uh...did Sansa forget to mention that he saved her ass?) Drogon landing in front of Jon will be great.
What's weird to me is that Arya is never discussed.
Yeah Gendry mentions Ned, whom he met once, for 5 minutes, but not Arya with whom he traveled for months and with whom he had a real bond? :roll: Is he purposely avoiding her topic or something?

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