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Pigeon
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Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:47 am

Love this and looking forward to the episode! Sorry if I screw up my first post in the forums! :shock:

Yay Jorah! So essentially the cure to death of all sorts appears to be dragonglass to the heart? Hmmm.

I don't like that they now seem to be making LF somewhat careless, he doesn't need to be an idiot to have people work against him. Yeesh.

Very glad to hear that Nymeria (wolf) doesn't die. The wolves have not had good luck. Too bad Nymeria (snek) ends up as the Silence's figurehead - she was the only one I liked. However, I am looking forward to Euron going full insane.

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Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:02 am

elybe wrote:
Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:28 pm
JennyT wrote:
Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:30 am

ghost of winterfell wrote:
Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:35 am
Flayed Potatoes wrote:
Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:08 pm


If Dany vs Cersei seems to be a stalemate, I can't blame Jon for wanting to bring proof. He needs Dany to stop focusing on war with Cersei and focus instead on helping him fight the WW. If she continues fighting Cersei, they'll both lose even more men and for all we know she'll lose the dragons in the south, instead of using them where they're needed. Dany can't attack KL with her dragons because it has caches of wildfire underneath. If Dany sacks KL with Dothraki, then Cersei will just blow up the town and it's bad PR for Dany (who will lose a lot of men in the process). Daenerys wouldn't want her reign built on the destruction of the capital and the murder of innocents.

Not to mention all of Dany's allies are defeated. That means no Yara Greyjoy fleet, no Martell fleet/army and no Tyrell army/fleet. With her unfortunate attack on the Tarlys and Lannisters, that means reduced Lannister forces and no Tarly army. That's tens of thousands of lives lost. With no Tyrells or Tarlys to rule the Reach, the whole area is destabilized. Dorne isn't run by anyone either, so it's destabilized. The Riverlands are currently destabilized, unless Edmure magically appears. That's tens of thousands of lives lost and half the kingdom in chaos, which is really bad. Of course, I'm sure people will ignore all this because "yaaas queen" and dragon cgi is cool or whatever.

The Citadel doesn't believe the threat is real, Sansa duncurr, nobody in the south cares except for the Knights of the Vale (maybe). Bringing an actual wight seems like the only solution left and not using dragons against them is silly. Some are just determined to hate on Jon no matter what he does, from what I see. *cough* Collider *cough* He's being held up to ridiculously high standards and scrutiny compared to all the other characters/leaders.

We've been told and shown since season 1 that the WW are the big threat and that petty fights for thrones don't matter if death is coming for everyone. If people still blame Jon for caring about the WW, then they've missed the entire point of the story and have clearly paid no attention to the show.
The logic applied there will be faulty because it was always expected that the dragons would be used in the fight against the White Walkers, otherwise what's the point of having WMD's? And if they were always going to meet the NK, there was always the outside chance that he could spear one and claim it. Basically, if they leave them out of the mission they're stupid for not using their best weapon, and if they leave them in they're stupid for risking and losing their best weapon. If you're determined to hate Jon and/or Dany, you win no matter what.

But if we want to narrow it down to Jon's personal responsibility, he doesn't take the dragons north of the Wall, Dany does. He doesn't control them, Dany does. And neither of them, let alone the audience, could foresee the NK taking one out the first time up to bat. But really, don't worry about Jon after he leaves Winterfell. In the eyes of the dyed-in-the-wool Jon detractors, he will be "wrong" and "at fault" literally no matter what he does this season. If Jon had advocated for punishing the Karstark and Umber heirs while Sansa preached mercy, these people would have accused Jon of being overly rigid and not seeing the bigger picture, just like his pop. They will find a way to twist the material against Jon no matter what he does, so just enjoy the ride.
I understand Jon's reasons for doing what he does. I just feel a lot of the audience will just look at the end result and blame him, instead of the logic behind his actions. This is something we see quite often, like in BotB. I think a lot will depend on the writing and I am not sure I trust D&D to do Jon justice, since that hasn't always been among their priorities lol.

AS for Dany being the one to take her dragons north, yeah that's true, but this happens only after Jon sends Gendry to Eastwatch, to send her a raven telling her of their plight. So basically, they are going to make Jon responsible for the dragins coming north as well. And he will probably get blamed for it as well.

Boudica
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Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:38 pm

Pigeon wrote:
Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:47 am
Love this and looking forward to the episode! Sorry if I screw up my first post in the forums! :shock:

Yay Jorah! So essentially the cure to death of all sorts appears to be dragonglass to the heart? Hmmm.

I don't like that they now seem to be making LF somewhat careless, he doesn't need to be an idiot to have people work against him. Yeesh.

Very glad to hear that Nymeria (wolf) doesn't die. The wolves have not had good luck. Too bad Nymeria (snek) ends up as the Silence's figurehead - she was the only one I liked. However, I am looking forward to Euron going full insane.
You first post is good!

The Jorach cure is very interesting. I really can't stand Littlefinger, but it is strange for him approach Jon and talk about how much he loves Sansa. I don't understand why he would want to provoke Jon in such a manner.
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Boudica
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Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:42 pm

elybe wrote:
Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:31 pm
Flayed Potatoes wrote:
Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:08 pm
Some are just determined to hate on Jon no matter what he does, from what I see. *cough* Collider *cough* He's being held up to ridiculously high standards and scrutiny compared to all the other characters/leaders.
Lol, you have a much higher threshold for pain than I do if you're still subjecting yourself to Collider's videos. They have an advanced degree in Narrative Incomprehension that applies across many major fandoms and franchises. They’re notoriously confident in their wrongness about…well, most things :) I officially gave up on their videos after one of their Star Wars discussions made me feel like there wasn't enough acid in the world to justify their conclusions.
Collider videos are absolutely terrible, I watched one of their season 7 prediction videos. They don't have a clue what is going on, they are completely wrong, or they just read situations completely wrong. Their videos are full of comments about how wrong and dumb they are.

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Jack Bauer 24
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Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:27 pm

I don't want to read detailed spoilers, so I only have one question...is the naval battle epic?

Pigeon
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Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:49 pm

Boudica wrote:
Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:38 pm
Pigeon wrote:
Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:47 am
Love this and looking forward to the episode! Sorry if I screw up my first post in the forums! :shock:

Yay Jorah! So essentially the cure to death of all sorts appears to be dragonglass to the heart? Hmmm.

I don't like that they now seem to be making LF somewhat careless, he doesn't need to be an idiot to have people work against him. Yeesh.

Very glad to hear that Nymeria (wolf) doesn't die. The wolves have not had good luck. Too bad Nymeria (snek) ends up as the Silence's figurehead - she was the only one I liked. However, I am looking forward to Euron going full insane.
You first post is good!

The Jorach cure is very interesting. I really can't Littlefinger, but it is strange for him approach Jon and talk about how much he loves Sansa. I don't understand why he would want to provoke Jon in such a manner.
Thank you! Yes, the LF/Jon thing is odd to me, it isn't exactly encouraging a rift between Sansa and Jon by antagonizing him with that info... :?

Boudica
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Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:39 am

Jack Bauer 24 wrote:
Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:27 pm
I don't want to read detailed spoilers, so I only have one question...is the naval battle epic?
The person who watched it thought it was epic, but it is only something like 8-10 minutes long. So the whole battle is not as big as some others in the past.

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Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:57 pm

Boudica wrote:
Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:39 am
Jack Bauer 24 wrote:
Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:27 pm
I don't want to read detailed spoilers, so I only have one question...is the naval battle epic?
The person who watched it thought it was epic, but it is only something like 8-10 minutes long. So the whole battle is not as big as some others in the past.
Thank you. Been waiting a long time for a proper sea battle on the show so I'm looking forward to it.

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Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:53 pm

Boudica wrote:
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Aaaaah my feels! Wolf girl and the wolf pack.

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