Starry wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:52 am
I think why she is always seen as the villian, is because she is female. And people can't accept a female ruler. Everyone knows that Cersei will eventually be cast down. So the hate toward her is not so strong. But with Dany there is still the fear that she might actually sit the Iron Throne. So people villianize her or hope she dies in the most cruel ways to show women where their place in this world is. Especially women who are so "arrogant" to aspire to rule.
I agree that this happens with the Some People, but I don't think it explains Everyone's view who dislikes her.
I think there are valid reasons to dislike her, and choose other faves. But I also think some people are harboring mysoginistic dispositions towards her as well. There's sexism, but that's not true of everyone who dislikes/judges her.
Also, a person can be sexist and also have good reason to dislike her. Or a person could be generally really reasonable but in Dany's case they are unintentionally judging her based on internalized gender dynamics without sexist malice or usually being like that. It's really complicated, imo. Much of these gender offences are so much a product of environment the person displaying them isn't really to blame. Of course, there are clear cases where a mysoginist is to blame, and is overt, but I'm saying we all perpetuate it systemically no matter who we are, how feminist or equalist, we perpetuate our culture.
Not Littlefinger wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:22 pm
I can't speak for everyone, but I'm one of those who doesn't think Dany would be a good ruler, yet I am rooting for Sansa and I would like to see her rule in the North. If Dany was perfect, I would understand your point completely. But there are many reasons not to vouch for her leadership, as I've previously mentioned on this thread.
Okay, like here's a perfect example. I DO NOT think NLF is being sexist and never got that vibe from NLF before, at all. I think it would actually be rude to accuse NLF of this.
But the argument you're giving, NLF, actually can be dismissed as perpetuating sexism. You obviously didn't realize this!
Sansa has already been so much more dominated and subjugated and we still need to root for her, she hasn't yet shown the ambition or masculine aspect internally that Dany has. She's a survivor, not a dominator herself.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think you meant it that way. And I love Sansa as much as Dany. I really just love everyone!
Well, except a few I want to die painful deaths, like Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, Thé Mountain....Ramsay
My point is, it's complicated. We have to cut ppl slack and meet them on their terms as best we can, while still fighting systemic sexism and overt sexism (2 diff things) each in their own way.
I think BK to myself as 11 yrs old, using retarded as an insult, and I'm glad I grew up. But I was never a bad person for it, I just had to learn, ya know? How it hurts others.
On the grown up level, its way more subtle, but that doesn't mean we're all aware of how we perpetuate it without ever meaning too... we're still imperfect humans. And most likely, we never chose to be human in the 1st place....