Wimsey wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:07 pm
Raeslewolhn wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:30 am
So personally, that makes me appreciate weirnet, old gods, dragons, but I was distrustful of Rh'ollor
I permit myself one crackpot idea per major series: for this one, it is that R'hllor is the remnant of Azor Ahai suspended in magic across time because of whatever he did to end the War thousands of years ago.
That is almost certainly wrong, but the tinfoil fits, so I'm wearing it!
Lol
I think GoT is ripe for the application of tinfoil. If no other series, this one for sure.
... I've heard that before, or close enough. Like the equivalent of weirnet preservation of consciousness but in the LoAS and fire magic.
This would mean his consciousness will have to come into someone when it's time to bring the Dawn, to be reborn, which is a real prophecy if what you speculate is true. But he isn't yet reborn if he's still communicating from the Rh'ollor place. Therefore we can hope he becomes a dragon!
Especially if that's true, I def see Rh'ollor as the WW equivalent in fire, not the old gods. Most ppl say dragons are the opposite side of the WW coin. IMHO, institutionalized
live sacrifice is a greater threat to human civilization. The Targs harness the dragons, they meant to tame them enough so that they're responsible for the damage dragons cause at this pt. It's not the dragons fault they're wild. Theyre animals (which makes them very different from nukes, to which people like to compare them).
But Rh'ollor is a conscious being, presumably. Yes, the priestesses are responsible for the evil done in his name (much like religious violence this world). However, he would be different from Earth gods bc, if this is true, he would have
some control over them. He would also have been human and should be held to human morality (even if he has a gods eye view of destiny that I don't and I don't see why he does certain things, in his context he would still be employing a morality).
It would also make sense if magic is real but religion isn't. (That's why the Septons have no power and the 'old gods' have no organization and the most powerful fire bearer (Dany) doesn't follow a religion but believes in magic. Which I really like, personally, but also makes the most sense. (Whether or not this specific speculation we're discussing is true.)
On the other hand, Rh'ollor doesn't even need to exist at all, as a consciousness, for fire and blood magic to work. Mel could still be wrong, they don't have a god. She's anthropomorphizing the real source of her power.